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How do you approach adversity? Do you run away from it? Or do you embrace it? In today's episode, I'm talking with Kim Ades. Kim shares the difference between ordinary leaders and extraordinary leaders is how they approach adversity. Kim herself as a child, she knew she wanted to help people. But she also faced adversity early. She was threatened by a bully and instead of wanting to run away and not wanting to think about her, Kim actually dreamed about helping her. Fast forward Kim goes to the University of Ottawa for BA and MBA and she has a career as a serial entrepreneur. She's got this thriving business which she runs with her husband. And then she faces adversity. She's in a painful divorce. She's got two kids and a single mom, and she's having to re-evaluate Who is she? What is her identity, she does a ton of professional development. And through that rediscovers the power of thought and how important thought is to shifting what's possible in life. In basketball, as we talk a lot about mastering your mindset, that it's all about our thinking. And when we shape our thinking we can shape our life. Kim is such a great example of this. She ends up envisioning her future husband, she ends up starting another company, this one she does with her child, she has thought work which she's created a really thriving business with. And all of these wore because of her mindset and how she uses thoughts to shape her life. So I'm so excited for you to meet this Boss Mama. I want to take us back Kim to the beginning, growing up in Canada. And tell me Kim, what did you dream of being when you got older?

Kim: You know what, I didn't really have a very specific dream. But I do remember one particular conversation I had with an aunt who asked me maybe I was six or something like that. She asked me what do you want to be when you grow up? And I thought that that was a pretty awesome question to ask a six year old and I didn't have a specific answer. I didn't say a doctor, a nurse, or a pediatrician. I didn't say any of that. I said I really want to help people. That was my only answer. But that answer stuck with me my whole entire life. Because at the end of the day, that's what I wanted to do. And that's what I do. And I didn't know that at the age of six, I would have that kind of insight. But that's how it turned out.

Analiza: Awesome. I love how his six year olds already knew and how you are doing that mission multiple years later. So fast forward then and you have this dream of helping people. So how did that help guide your next decisions to college and even through your first choice of career?

Kim: I'll tell you a quick story before I go to college or anything like that. I remember, I was in high school. I was in grade seven. So in Canada, you go into high school in grade seven, or at least in Montreal at the time you go into high school in grade seven. I was the new kid on the block. It was the first few weeks when I was there. And what happened was at lunchtime, you'd walk around the circle, you'd have lunch and then there was a circle, you walk around the circle. That's what you did at lunch. You just walk around the circle. And we're walking in and there was this very odd looking girl who was walking as well. She was very tall, very, very thin. Her hair was very, very, very thin. And she was missing a tooth. Like she had a broken tooth. And when she walked by, you could smell that she was smoking. Now I was an extremely sheltered child, okay, I'm literally 12 years old, and I saw this girl walking by and she stunned me like she surprised me. And I looked at her because I had never seen anything like that before, right? Just someone's so different from the way that I grew up. But she didn't like the fact that I looked at her. And so she said, What are you staring at? And she brought me into a corner and decided she wanted to beat me up. And so there was a whole crowd of people gathered around me. I was terrified. Like I'm this really like even almost shy, uncomfortable. I'm a 12 year old kid in high school and there's this older person who's got me pinned up against the wall ready to beat me up. And I'm like, no, no, like, I didn't mean anything totally. I wasn't there to fight, that's not my nature. And it wasn't what I was there to do. Like, I'm really sorry. And people came around and they're like, she's ready to take me out. Teacher came in, interfered, broke it up, and she let me off the hook. But what happened after that is I started dreaming about her. Her name was Shelley. I started dreaming about her all the time. But what do you think my dream was? My dream was this, we were on a roller coaster ride together, she was in the seat beside me. And I dreamt of the conversation I would have with her. I was trying to convince her that it would be okay to turn her life around, that she didn't have to be this way, that it was okay to be kind of nice to people. Remember, I'm 12 years old. That dream lasted probably 567 years, same dream over and over and over and over again. So when you ask me, how did it influence me, I thought about the fact that this girl really needed help, and that I wanted to be the one to help her.

Analiza: Wow, I'm imagining you at 12. And that's pretty scary to be in a corner, and you really got out unscathed. But when you told me you heard it, you start to have dreams about her. I thought well, maybe those will be nightmares. Like she's chasing you and you can't get out. But actually, you dreamt of helping her. And you're on a roller coaster. So did you ever talk to her while you knew her?

Kim: I didn't. I think she switched schools like, you know, a year or two later. I mean, I just really tried to stay away from her. I was still kind of scared of her. She made me very nervous. She had asked her now she probably doesn't remember me at all. And I'm thankful for that, probably. But just she left a huge impression on me as a person who had probably gone through something in her life that caused her to be very aggressive and very angry. I saw a troubled person in front of me that left a mark.

Analiza: So then from there, Kim, you're thinking about her and you're having these dreams about her? How did that play a role in your life decisions, if any?

Kim: Well, as I got older, in high school I participated. I was on student council, I was just a very active young person, I was the one to sell the most dance tickets, I was the one to start the first sad chapter in Montreal sad being students against drunk drivers. And so I was just very active and involved. After that we had what's called SAGE up in Montreal, which is kind of in between high school and university. And I was the president of my sage up there, and then University and like life goes on. And then what I decided to do was study leadership, and study what really differentiates people who are leaders, but really strong, powerful leaders, effective leaders compared to other people. And so it took me down that path of I was always interested in kind of, how do you live a life? That's not so average? Right? I was drawn to that.

Analiza: So from that setting, what would you share are a couple things you learned about what made leaders powerful and extraordinary versus the others?

Kim: What I learned, and obviously, it's what I do now, it's what I do for a living. But what I really learned over the years is that incredible leaders really just look at the world very differently. They think differently. They perceive things differently. They process things differently. They look at adversity differently, they solve problems differently, right? They just think about things in a very, very different way. And so when you start to tune in to how they think about things, right, what happens is they look at some of the problems or their failures as opportunities. And what I would say at the end of the day, is that these leaders have a different level of emotional resilience in comparison to others, right? So we've all experienced adversity, we've all experienced failure. But these leaders, when they experience adversity, when they wipe out when they fail, they definitely fall just like the rest of us. They don't stay down very long. But then they ask themselves a crucial question. The question is, how do I turn this failure, this adversity into an advantage? How can I do something good with it? Right? How do I use this?

Analiza: Do you have an example from leaders, maybe even a female leader that you could share with us?

Kim: There are lots of stories out there of people who have what's her name, Mahalla, the young girl, she was shot, and probably left to die? Because she was a little bit outspoken. What did she do? She definitely took that adversity and turned it into an advantage. She did something with it, a positive thing, a powerful thing. That's a great example of a leader who takes adversity and turns it into an advantage.

Analiza: That's a great example. She's so inspiring. And it actually is a lot of how you drive your supportive leaders Kim, but before we get there, because you have such a path, I think you're a great example as well of taking versity and thinking of it differently. You didn't first go into coaching when you started so tell us about your college, what was the job you did after that and then the successful company events started.

Kim: Yeah, so I went to school, I did an undergraduate degree in psychology. And then I decided to open a balloon business, I don't think you knew that I'm an entrepreneur at heart. I'm a serial entrepreneur. And I've discovered that over the course of my lifetime, I'm really unemployable. Nobody could hire me, I'm not good at working for other people. That's just the way it is. So I had a balloon company. And we used to decorate people's weddings, parties, things like that. And at some point, we'd wake up early in the morning and start tying balloons all day long. And your fingers were blistered, and it was like labor, hard labor. And at some point, I said, Okay, either we grow this balloon business, or I go and do my master's degree. So we sold off the contents of our balloon business. And I got accepted to do my master's degree. And I discovered that I was really interested in HR in organizational behavior in marketing strategy, that people stuff, right. And as soon as I graduated with my master's degree, I got hired by a software company, and they wanted me to be their marketing director. And I was very interested in the fact that they hired me because when I was getting interviewed, right before my interview, a colleague of mine left from her interview. And then after I left my interview, another colleague walked in. So I knew my competition, it was right in front of me, right? It was a while and I thought, Ah, they're not gonna hire me. But they ended up hiring me. And it was a company that did something called document management software, which I knew zero about, and I stayed there for two years. And then after those two years, I ended up moving to Toronto, and I started my own business right from that moment. And what I was doing was, I was really interested in young people, I've always been interested in young people, I thought, how do we help young people get jobs and do well in jobs. And so I created this company called upward motion. And at the beginning, it was designed to help young people acquire life slash work skills. And we would go into high schools around Toronto, and in Ontario, really, and do these little skits that would help them require these work life skills. And it was really cool. But then that turned into a software company in and of itself. So we ended up building simulation based assessments to help companies make better hiring decisions. And so it's wild, right?

Analiza: It is wild, because it wasn't like you're looking to go into tech, or marketing, or these specific startups even, like just going to start a business. But you ended up doing that, because you lean toward what you'd love, which is helping people,

Kim: Right, when you lean towards what you love, you see the opportunity starts to unfold in front of you. So we had this software company, we built it up to quite a size. One of the products that we built was for the real estate industry, it was called The Real Estate simulator. And I ended up being very well connected in the real estate industry. I even won an award for being one of the top most influential women in the real estate industry. But that was a long time ago. And one thing led to another. And the thing is what happened at the time is I had two partners, one of them is now my ex husband. And so we went through a very hard time at the time, right? We grew a business and we did really well together. And then we decided to split up after a 15 year marriage, we had two kids, things weren't working out for us. We thought that we could continue working together. But we really couldn't, it was very hard for us to do. And so one thing led to another and I ended up selling my business. And it was very hard for me to do because this was my baby. This was the thing that I associated my identity with. And all of a sudden, I was no longer a business owner. I found myself as a single mom, I got divorced at a very, very young age because I got married at a young age. Right? I got married at 20, divorced at 35. I never dated anybody really in my life. So now all of a sudden, I'm navigating the dating world. And that was a wild ride. And I have two kids, and I don't know what to do with my life.

Analiza: I'm just imagining him that you basically had a third child with your ex husband, the business and now you don't have that business. And now you have your two kids to raise by yourself.

Kim: Not by myself, but certainly differently. We shared custody still. It's a whole new world.

Analiza: So identity wise, then Kim, now a single mom and having to start a whole new career because this business was no longer yours. You had your ex husband and made an agreement that he would take it. How did you approach this adversity?

Kim: At first it was very, very jarring. Like I just lost it was like the rug had been pulled out from under me and I didn't know who I was, where I was going, what I would do, how to navigate any of this kind of dates, write all of it, how to be an effective mom, because my kids are going through some turmoil as well, all of it. And I just felt lost. A few weeks later, I got hired by a coaching company here in Toronto. And they had a mandate to help people live extraordinary lives. And I really thought, wow, that's for me, that's what I want to do. That's everything I'm about. That really, really kind of speaks to me. And so they hired me to be their VP of marketing. And I got really excited to join a team and kind of observe how another company operates. Unfortunately, I only lasted for about eight and a half months, again, I'm really not employable. And so during those eight and a half months, I discovered that I really need to be at the helm of a company, I have ideas, I have thoughts, I have things that I want to implement, and I need to lead my own company. But the other thing I discovered was I observed how this company coached people. And I thought to myself, I think they're doing it wrong, I think that I could do a better job, I think that they're missing some fundamental understanding of why people struggle to perform. And I think I could address that with a different coaching model. And that's when I started my own company for mind coaching.

Analiza: it's interesting that you first knew that this was not going to be the company for you that you're an entrepreneur at heart. Because sometimes I feel that we're working for people. And we think to ourselves, I wonder what it would be like if I ran my own company, but you already knew in your heart that you wanted to run your company, which is really wonderful and confident. And then second, that you were also confident to say I could do this better in a way that could serve people and help them be more extraordinary.

Kim: I'll be honest, was I confident, I wasn't confident. But what I was was I was sure this wasn't for me. And I remember the day that I left that company and I think we came to a mutual understanding that I was not a good fit, right. So I think they were happy to see me go. But the day that I left that company, it was like the weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders. And I said, Thank God, I'm done. It was such a pressure on me, I knew I was in the wrong spot. I knew this wasn't the right fit. While I didn't exactly know what was going to be next, I didn't have a clear vision. I didn't create a business plan. I didn't know what was next, I knew that this was not it. And that I was much better off on my own.

Analiza: I appreciate the idea that even though you weren't confident you knew this was not the right place. And it's almost helpful that they also knew that this wasn't the right place. So to mutually go and turn over a new leaf isn't in this case, it was just an opportunity that you took which is great.

Kim: Right? So I could have looked at that moment as oh my god, I failed. I'm terrible. They didn't like me. I didn't like them, whatever, I could have had that whole story built up in my mind. But for me, it was just plain old relief.

Analiza: What do you think can guide you over the fear? Or any sort of emotions that maybe made you doubt yourself? You didn't have a business plan? You maybe didn't have things all written out ready to rock? How did you get over that uncertainty so that you could actually go and stream?

Kim: I'll tell you so I had this idea that I could coach people. But let me go back for a minute. So what I thought was that people struggle to achieve their goals, not because they don't have a plan. And not because they can't make a plan or build a plan and exit and write it out. Right? It's not because they don't have vision. It's because they don't do what's on the plan. The question is, why don't they do what's on the plan, because something inside of them stops them from executing. It has to do with how they see themselves, their capacity, how they see the world around them, how they see their ability to execute the plan, but there's something inside of them, that just stops them that has them not taking action. It has to do with their beliefs about how good they are, how skilled they are, how confident they are, how the world will respond to them, and on and on and on. And I thought to myself, if I could get inside people's heads, and understand how they see the world, and how they think and what they believe to be true, then I could help them. So I don't need to help them build a plan and then write out all the things on the plan and then hold them accountable to everything on the plan. They don't need a babysitter. They don't need an accountability buddy, right? They need someone to help them understand what's really getting in their way. And if I can help them move those things out of the way, then they will actually naturally start doing what's on the plan. That was my thinking at the time. But I never coached a person a day in my life. So I had a whole ton of fear and doubt. And so what I started off with was I reached out to a friend of mine here in Toronto, who was a vice president. I have one of the largest real estate companies in Canada. And I said to her, I have this idea to coach people. Because in the real estate industry coaching was common. I have a different approach have a different philosophy, a different mentality about it. And she said, I really like it. I said, but I need people to coach, she said, I'll get you some people to coach. So I decided, in order to address those fears to run a pilot, why a pilot, because when you're running a pilot, it's okay for you to make mistakes. People understand your learning. People understand that there could be hiccups along the way. Right. So I ran a pilot, I charged an incredibly low fee for 10 weeks of coaching. But I had another fear and the fear was this. If I coach you for an hour, what the heck are we going to talk about for a whole hour? An hour is too long. So I said, You know what, if I coach a group of people at a time, let's say five people, and everybody talks for five or 10 minutes, then the Hour will go fast, right? And so I started off coaching a group of people, I coached people in real estate, because I knew a lot of people in real estate, and that's where she got me some people from but I had another fear. The other fear was, what if they asked me real estate questions, and I don't have an answer. So here's what I did. I found a guy who was a coach in the real estate industry. I said, Hey, can you help me? I'm launching this new business, but I'm terrified. Would you mind co coaching my first group with me, I'll pay you for it. So I had five people, I charged them $100 for 10 weeks of coaching, not $100 per week, just $100. But I got $500. And I hired this guy, and I paid him 1000 to do the math, my first round of coaching, I'm paying to learn, right, I lost money. But what I discovered was number one, that I had a natural talent for coaching. Number two is they didn't like his kind of coaching so much. So I didn't need him that much longer. But I also, from the very beginning, implemented a system where I could understand how people were thinking. So I asked my clients to journal in an online journal every single day. At the beginning of the week, I would give them a question to journal about or a journaling prompt. And they would start journaling every time they journaled. I'd receive it. And I'd ask them questions, to dig deeper to go further. From the very beginning. I did that so that I would have something to talk to them about. I had no idea what I was on to. I didn't understand how deep this would get. I didn't realize that when you're journaling with your client, you're actually building a relationship. That is unlike any other relationship in the world. I didn't realize that when the client journals, they make progress just because they're journaling. Like I had no clue. Well, 17 years later, I understand all these things now.

Analiza: I love that so much. And I also appreciate that you're paying to learn at such a rate that it was negative in the beginning. And some of the imposter syndrome that we do. I have this knowledge for these real estate brokers, I need to get this expert in, when actually you had that knowledge yourself.

Kim: Yep, 100%. But it was my backup plan, right? It helped me feel a little more secure. And sometimes you gotta figure out ways to help you feel a little more secure.

Analiza: Fair, fair. So you're going through this pilot, and you discover that you're onto something. And so from then is the start of your business where you really lean into you like what happens from there.

Kim: I started my business. So the first round, I charged $100 for 10 weeks. Next round, I charge $250. Next round, I charged $500. And you can see how it sort of starts to escalate. Because I started to see that the value that I'm delivering is really transformative. I see it in front of me. These clients are not the same people. In fact, I'm still connected to some of those people in my first ever pilot. And they still remember the conversations I had 17 years ago.

Analiza: Beautiful. I also love that your transformation to leaning into you also happened with your personal life. You had left your ex husband and you're dating. And so tell us about that. Because it's not just about the personal life too.

Kim: Yeah, the dating was crazy. While using those online dating apps, I'd meet these people who all wanted different things. I'll tell you as I'm Jewish. So there's a dating app at the time called J date. I think it still exists. There was this very, very attractive man on the site and said he was a VP of Sales for some company. I'm like, okay, great. And he's Jewish and wonderful, good looking tall, all the things right. And I still find him still super attractive. It was truly him. But it turned out that he wasn't Jewish. He wasn't single, and he wasn't the VP of sales, and he became like he got latched on to me. And he started kind of following me even showing up on my instant messaging pretending to be other people. So it was just a journey. It was an experience that was brand new to me, kind of fun, exciting, bizarre, scary, all of it at the same time. And I dated a variety of people, I went on short dates, I had longer term sins with people, all of it. And then at some point, I was introduced to my husband. I'm remarried, of course. Analiza: It's interesting for your husband, how he kind of came up, just out of a vision, and I'm just such a crazy story cam, I'd love for you to share it with us.

Kim: So I was, again, single with two kids. And at that point, my son was, I think, 11, something like that. 1112, something like that. And my daughter was like, eight, something like that. And it was my son's birthday. And we decided to take a whole bunch of his friends downtown to an improv show, like a kid friendly improv show. And I had one of those SUVs. And so I could load up a whole bunch of kids in my car, and we went downtown, and some of the kids were meeting us there. But at the same time, I had my ex husband there, his partner at the time, and we were all there. And so the kids had a great time. And at the end of the show, I was ready to bring the kids home, I piled them into my car, we started driving, and all of a sudden I get a call from at the time, my ex husbands partner who I used to be friends with, but that's a whole other story for another day. And she calls me up and she says, What kind of mother are you? You left the kid behind? Right? This child is in the streets downtown. His parents are with him. Like, what's wrong with you exactly like that. And my heart sank, or my heart went up into my throat. I was ready to literally faint vomit, whatever it was, like often because of what just happened. And it turned out that this child wasn't in my car initially. So his mother or father, his parents, brought him to the venue. And then they were going to come back and pick him up. But I didn't wait for him to get picked up. I just took my kids and went. And I just felt so horrible. I felt so guilty. I felt like what kind of mother am I? It's true. It's a good question. Like, wow, I'm just a horrible person. And I got on the phone with my ex husband. I said, are you there? Can you please wait with him until the parents come? And he said, Yeah, okay, no problem, whatever. The mother was not happy. I spoke to her after she was really mad, really upset with me that I left her child in the streets downtown of Toronto, right. And I just couldn't shake it. I couldn't get it out of my head. It was spinning around in my head in circles over and over and over again. And I just felt terribly guilty. Awful. The conversation was repeating in my head over and over and over again. I thought to myself, what would I tell my clients to do? I said, I would tell them to think about something that makes them feel even slightly better. That's called trading up. Just think of something else. Change the subject, take your brain to a new place. And so I started to have a bit of a vision. And the vision was that I got a call from a friend of mine from a guy actually not a friend of mine, I got a call from some random guy named Jake and made up his name, Jake. And Jake said, Hey, Kim, I got your name and number from so and so and so and so. And they said that we had to meet because they said that we're absolutely soulmates. We're destined to be together. And I remember the feeling being so real, so actual, so concrete that I started to laugh. And literally two days later, I was on the phone with a friend of mine, telling him about this experience, his vision is feeling inside of me. That same day, two days later, I was at a presentation in Niagara Falls. And on the way home, I picked up my phone and checked to see if I had any messages. And there was a message and the message said this. Hi, Kim. My name is Alan Friedman. And I got your name from this person. And they suggested that perhaps we should meet. And my jaw dropped to the ground. I was shocked because it was exactly what happened with different names. But exactly what happened in this vision. And so I picked up the phone and I called him back and I told him the story of what happened with the kid missing in the street and how I had this vision. And I thought to myself, Oh my God, that guy's gonna think I'm nuts. He's gonna think I'm absolutely crazy. Right? Like, I'm just spewing this whole stuff out and he said, Well, do you want to get together? I said yes. He said, What are you doing Saturday night? I said, Well, actually, I'm going to Ohio because I have a presentation that I'm delivering there. He said, Well, what time are you coming home? I said, Well, it's kind of late. We can meet later if you want. He said Why don't I pick you up from the airport? So he did. And he said, You know what, if we don't like each other, I'll just drive you home. And that'll be that, or we can go out for dinner, we'll see what happens. And basically, he picked me up and never left.

Analiza: And I love that story because it came out of this vision, which came out of you being quote, unquote, a bad mom, and that you actually practice what you do with your clients, which is let's train up our thoughts. Let's have a different thought. Let's have a different possibility here.

Kim: Right? Because there was nothing I could do. Right? The event took place, and the kid was safe. There was nothing left to do. I apologize. Like there was really nothing left. I made a mistake.

Analiza: I love magically just how this is coming full circle, that you're wanting to help people who came from that experience when you're with that bully, and wanting to help her change her thoughts how you then practice changing your thoughts with adversity and how that's brought for you both in your personal and work life. It's pretty darn great.

Kim: I think what's even cooler is, so I married this man who had three kids, and they all moved in. So suddenly, I had five kids. And I became the step mother, but for me step is like step up, step over step aside step in like I became really the step parent with 100%, full involvement with my stepkids and their lives. And fast forward. About three years ago, one of my stepsons, he was a child and youth worker, and he was working with super special needs kids. And he had done that for eight years. And he was working with kids who were nonverbal, who were violent, who were really, really in need of help. And he got a bit burnt out. And so I said, 'Why don't you come and work with us?' And I always had this idea that somehow we would supply or provide coaching for young people. So this year, actually, he is my co founder. We're partners in this endeavor. We just launched something called the journal that talks back, which is specifically coaching for young people between the ages of 18 and early 30s. And literally, we launched it a few weeks ago. So we're super, super excited about that.

Analiza: That's so exciting. How does it work?

Kim: Basically, you get assigned to a coach, and we match you with the right coach, we have a team of coaches, so we assign you to the right coach. And then you get to jirtle with your coach as often as you want. So you can journal with your coach once a week, once a day, six times a day, it doesn't really matter. Every time you journal, your coach will read and respond to your journal within a 24 hour time period. So it's the journaling part of our coaching program that was born from a friend of mine coaching the lead, the pilot comes back. I've been journaling with my clients all these years. And it's, I think, the secret sauce of our coaching. So we took that secret sauce and said, what if this is what we offer. And so imagine you're a young person, you start a new job, you're a little insecure, you're really not sure who to talk to or what to do if you're doing the right thing. And you're uncomfortable, but you have a coach in your corner helping you through or imagine you're in university and you hate your classes and you hate the program you're in and you're not sure what to do. You have a coach to help you work through it. Or imagine you're in a terrible relationship, or a great relationship, but you're not sure if you want to continue. You have a coach to help you work through it. All of those things.

Analiza: That's wonderful. So Kim, we're gonna wrap up with some fun lightning round questions. Amazing. Okay, chocolate or vanilla.

Kim: Chocolate.

Analiza: Cooking or takeout.

Kim: Cooking.

Analiza: Okay, climb a mountain or jump from a plane?

Kim: Climb a mountain.

Analiza: Have you ever worn socks with sandals?

Kim: Of course.

Analiza: How would you rate your karaoke skills on a scale of 1 to 10 and 10 being Mariah Carey?

Kim: Minus six,

Analiza: Recent book you read?

Kim: I'm actually in the process of reading a book that my brother in law wrote, I'm doing that.

Analiza: What is the favorite way you have to practice self care?

Kim: Journaling? That's easy.

Analiza: That's a good professional development to be done.

Kim: You know what? I attended this incredible session. And I'll give you the name of the company. It's called driven for life. And they take you on this weekend adventure, you could say that pushes you way out of your comfort zone and way out of your capacity. So you think your capacity is this much and you discover your capacity is that much? It's wild. Look it up. It's called driven for life. My friends, Mary and Eric McGrath run it. It's amazing.

Analiza: Great. We'll include it in the show notes. What's your definition of a Boss Mama?

Kim: Boss Mama is someone who is committed in their own skin, someone who knows their strengths and is totally at peace with their weaknesses, someone who does their best day in and day out, but doesn't hold a stick over them over themselves beating themselves up when they're not slaying every single moment of every single day. And a bass Mama is someone who knows how to have fun.

Analiza: What advice would you give your younger self?

Kim: I'd give the advice that everything's gonna be okay. Everything's gonna be alright. You're gonna have some bumps along the way. But it's all gonna work as the word for the song.

Analiza: Yeah, where can we find you?

Kim: Frame of Mind coaching calm is one place. The journal that talks back is the other place. But I'm everywhere. I'm on LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, all the places. And I have my own podcast where I coach people live on the show. It's the frame of mind coaching podcast, find me.

Analiza: And last question, do you have a final ask recommendation or any parting thoughts for the audience?

Kim: I will give you a recommendation. How's that? Yes. Pick up a piece of paper and a pencil. And I'm going to give you two journaling questions to think about. Question number one, what do you really really want more than anything? Question number two. So what's stopping you from having what you really, really want more than anything? Write down the answers to those questions. And if you're really, really bold, send them to me. And I will personally respond, and maybe even set up some time to talk. It's kim@frameofmindcoaching.com.

Analiza: Perfect. Kim, thank you so much for this lovely story and super inspiring for everyone. Really appreciate you.

Kim: Thank you for having me on your show. It was an absolute pleasure.

Analiza: Thanks, Kim. Thank you so much for carving out time today to hear today's podcast. Three things before you go. First, if you found it helpful, please leave a five star review. Second, please share it with someone else. You can share the link and post on Facebook and say check it out. Lastly, I want to thank you for being a listener and you can go to get a free self care bonus called juicy or joy at Analizawolf.com/freebonus. Thank you so much.