Analiza: Hi, I'm Analiza Quiroz Wolf, proud Asian American mama of two kiddos. I went from being a burned out mama to being a Boss Mama, being a boss at work, home and play. I'm on a mission to help more women be Boss Mamas. If you want to thrive at work without sacrificing family or self care, you're in the right place. I'm launching my next cohort of women leaders starting in January. The online course is eight weeks and has helped achieving women get the balanced joy and fulfillment they deserve. Go to analizawolf.com/bossmamas to learn more. Now let's get into today's show.

Rate yourself on self-care:

1 - I don’t have time for self-care 2 - I practice self-care because I know it’s important for my job. 3 - Self-care is essential in and of itself. I never ever miss a day.

If you’re not a 3, this episode is for you! In this episode, Analiza talks with Andrea Foggy-Paxton, Entrepreneur in Residence . Andrea was named to Ebony Magazine’s 30 under 30 with Sean Combs. After graduating from UC Berkeley for undergrad and Baruch for her Master of Public Administration, Andrea was the Executive Director for the Tavis Smiley Foundation, a Program Officer for the Gates Foundation, and Managing Director of Partner Strategy for The Broad Center. Today, she is an Entrepreneur in Residence at Education for Leaders of Color.

In Boss Mamas, we talk about Juicing Your Joy, that self-care is essential (a 3 rating on the scale) for being the best mom and leader you can be. Andrea is a great example of this. She shares how she learned self-care and entrepreneurship from her mom and how she made decisions based on what would make her most happy and aligned with her North Star. Andrea shares specific strategies of how she stays aligned to her happiness and the specific questions she asks to make sure she is living her best life now.

Excited for you to meet this Boss Mama!

Alright, Andrea, I have to start our conversation with this magazine behind you. So I know that I don't have the screens up. But can you bring it up? If you're watching on YouTube, you can see it. Describe it to us.

Andrea: So I pulled this up recently. It's an Ebony magazine cover from January 2001. 30 leaders under 30. As you see, I was one of the 30 leaders under 30. Cover is Russell Simmons and Sean Puffy Combs. And yeah, so it was the annual Swimsuit issue too. So it probably wasn't a really popular issue. I was Executive Director at the Tavis Smiley Foundation. I was fairly young, under 30. And it was a nice acknowledgement of the work that I had done up until that day, but it was also a challenge for me to think about how am I going to continue to lead, how am I going to continue to have impact and contribute to making our communities a better place because now being called out right like to have your face attached to like leadership, you’re like nationally known, kind of like made me think like I have to be accountable to myself and to all these people who now have seen me as a leader potentially. So it makes me just keep that bar high and like how am I having an impact?

Analiza: I'm stunned by you being in that Ebony Magazine and with these very celebrities, because you at below 30 are already a celebrity. So congrats on that. And I actually want to trace it back, Andrea because often it starts with our roots. So can you talk about your roots and what got this journey going?

Andrea: Yeah, well, my mother was a significant influence in my life. I grew up in San Francisco, she raised me and she worked hard. She always had at least two jobs and at one point had her own business assigned. She got that work ethic really, I think from her parents but especially from her father, who was a longshoreman but also worked on this side helping people remodel their homes, handyman work and all the things you know he was born in 1900. So he knew how to fix all the things he knew how to recycle all the things and I feel like she really adopted that kind of mindset even to this day. She's like, Are you sure you need to throw that out? You sure you can't fix that? I really feel like my upbringing in that type of environment where my grandfather was still alive until I was 10. And worked pretty much until he passed away at 80. To see that, and then see my mother that definitely influenced me.

Analiza: it's clear how much of an entrepreneurial spirit you've had. What does your dad in the picture look like?

Andrea: Yeah, so my parents divorced when I was fairly young. So my father wasn't around growing up, we do have a relationship now. But growing up, it was just me and my mom, and I don't have any siblings. And so I spent a lot of time learning to read, my mom didn't really allow me to do a whole lot of things like just outside activity from school. So I was at the library I read, I went to church, I volunteered, but outside of that was pretty much my life. And I don't think I realized until later growing up in San Francisco, that I live in a predominantly black community. I don't know if it ever registered to me, because most of my schools were very diverse. Um, I went to public schools in San Francisco. So it never registered to me until later, when someone said, Oh, you grew up in San Francisco, what part of San Francisco? Then I noticed a lot of the black folks who live in my neighborhood who migrated from the south, including my grandparents. And so we grew up with chickens. We had a pygmy goat. And so people are like you were up in San Francisco and had chickens and a pygmy goat. But yes, it's just part of the culture.

Analiza: That chickens and a pygmy go in San Francisco. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that. So this idea of earning money, you started working early. And can you talk more about that and how you choose the different jobs you took?

Andrea: Yeah, I remember my first job actually babysitting some neighbors' children. But that was to pay for piano lessons. I really wanted to take piano and my mom couldn't afford the lessons at the time. And so that was my first real job. But then I worked fast food. And I volunteered at the same time at the mayor's office. It was a project drive under the influence. And it was fun, because it allowed me to practice my public speaking skills. I was actually selected to do a public service announcement about training and driving as a teenager. And then my senior year because I had been volunteering for probably a good year. So they offered me an internship. And I went from making like, I know, this is really at $4.25 to $8. And I was able to pick my McDonald's job, which was terrible, and really get to see what it's like to work in a government entity or in City Hall, I should say, that really changed my trajectory, that and then taking a pre engineering course in college, I mean, college pre engineering course my junior summer, in high school, I was like no more engineering. For me. I think I'm a major in political science, because I enjoy working at city hall so much.

Analiza: I love that. And so I love that it also leads you to becoming this Ed, which gets you into this Ebony Magazine. And you end up pivoting though from that work into education. So what was that moment? How did you end up changing?

Andrea: Well, the signs have been there, I've run a youth employment program straight out of college. I've worked with LAUSD high schools. I was running this youth leadership program nationally. And I was always wondering, like, why is education not giving students what they need? Why aren't they prepared for college and career? And then I reflected on my own opportunity. I was gifted and talented. And while I was in diverse classes at a diverse school, my classes weren't diverse. Oftentimes, I was the only black student in these gifted and talented courses. And I knew there was some inequity around that. And so I remember standing at the fax machine again, another like dating moments of being pregnant with my first son and thinking like, my child is going to have everything that they could possibly need to be successful in life. They have two parents who have degrees. Well, at that time, we only had bachelor's, but we had three degrees between the two of us. And we have resources and a network. I'm like, how am I gonna really contribute to making sure education is accessible and giving students what they need, not just accessible, but giving students what they need to be prepared for life. And I remember having that conversation myself at the fax machine, like yep, I'm not going back to this job. I'm gonna go work on the system before and then reach out to friends to be helpful. I need a pivot right now.

Analiza: I love that pivot because you end up meeting someone who's in our world.

Andrea: Yeah, two things came together. I applied to grad school. I did National Urban Fellows which allowed me to work for the Annie Casey Foundation with a school board member from Baltimore City Public Schools. Bill McCoy became a mentor, a longtime friend, and at the same time, a good friend, former boss. When I was a freedom school site coordinator introduced me to Howard Fuller and demographic. And at the time, I was still at this small foundation, I was heading to the essence festivals like one of my Lassie Ross there. And my friend said, you should have dinner with Deb and Howard. And I was like, okay, for sure. Like, let's let's make that happen. I remember meeting them at a emerald restaurant, the famous chef, and being super excited what I wanted to see for education, what I experienced in my work, and I'm saying you would be great, the two of you my because my husband at the time was a technology coordinator for LAUSD Middle School. She was like you guys just started school. And I was like, start a school, how exciting. And then my body was like, underneath my persona family like that is crazy. Because you know, you throw your whole self into it, you will not sleep, you will be working all the weekends. So I was already working all the weekend and working 12 hour days and things like that. And so I didn't do that. But digitally at that time, the board of the black lines for educational options really helped me understand early on the kind of different strategies that were out there around giving young people access to other options beyond their school that was telling them their neighborhood school wasn't going to prepare them for college or high school. So that was my kind of entry point that then led to me going to the Gates Foundation working for Jim Shelton like all these things that just kind of collided, where I found myself in a way that I've never thought I would be doing.

Analiza: It's so interesting how those moments at the fax machine are those pivots that help us realize it's time. And yet when given the opportunity, even so exciting as to start a school. I also find it interesting that you trusted your body. Your body was screaming, Oh, hell no. This is not good. You're pregnant. Not good for being a mom. So you listened. Yeah, it's testament to you.

Andrea: I think it's something really important. And it's only I'm actually trying to teach my boys like you have to listen to your body, right? Because your body tells you probably first before your mind tells you what the answer is. Really pay attention to how you're responding to different situations. And I definitely remember thinking, the excitement of thinking about starting a new school and then immediately like Red Alert, Red Alert like that. It's not what you should be doing at this moment in point in your life. And that feeling of struggle and that tension to like, that is something that I wasn't having a child that I probably would have done. But because I had a commitment to a family and having time with my family, I was like no. And so I think it's really important to be in tune with the physiological response that your body has in all kinds of situations, but definitely in professional situations.

Analiza: It's also interesting, Andrea, how you mentioned being pregnant, helping your body to tell you that that was not a good idea to start the school. And also your child. And his diagnosis helped also shape your view of education.

Andrea: Yeah, I was a Program Officer at the Gates Foundation, meeting from Baltimore to DC. And you know, doing all the things that moms do read, take your kids out to the zoo. And I'm like talking to my husband, I'm like, something's going on. Because he's not pointing, he's not starting to babble all these things. And so fast forward, we talked to our pediatrician, so speech was provided. And the speech therapist called me one day like, I don't want to freak you out. But I think you should rule out that your son is on the spectrum. And so we went ahead and got the screening. And of course, he came back and said he's on the spectrum. And at that time, you don't know what that means. You're like, what, huh? What is my what? And then I feel like that was like the first panic of like, what am I gonna have to do for my child? And I know I can do it. But this is overwhelming. And really kind of diving in and learning and understanding what autism is and how we manage that, and how young people can still navigate life, regardless of the diagnosis. It also made me realize professionally, personally, my child will be okay. But professionally, I was like, I really have to focus on how to make our educational system equitable given, like there are lots of kids who don't get the diagnosis, are they getting too late, he happened to be like barely three years old. And so his early intervention really helped prepare you for entering kindergarten. And so I just think about all the children who don't have that kind of structure to help them be ready for when they first enter school. And they can see how far behind he would have been.

Analiza: So you figured it out early to allow him to thrive now. So let's talk about this because sometimes it's tough to get this news so tough to get breakdowns and so share with us a recent breakdown that has helped you be a mom Boss Mama leader.

Andrea: Yeah, well, the pandemic was definitely the convergence of being in a job that you love, love working with the people, and knowing that it's coming to an end. So that was before the pandemic. So you know, I was at the Broad Center, which is how we know each other. And it's moved to the School of Management at Yale. So I was already processing and dealing with that when the pandemic happened. And I had already come to like some realization, like this is a good thing like the institutions going to live on. And it's next iteration, I'm going to be free to do this. The next thing like this is pushing me to really get clear about my career, and like what I want to have impact, but the whole being at home, and sitting. And like, I had a first grader that had to keep online, who was like, I have a bathroom, I need a table and I don't want to be on Zoom. I was just like, This is a crazy town. And I'm about to have a breakdown. Because no one prepared me for any of this, working from home with kids learning and teaching and trying to prepare them. So that was a breaking moment where I was like, I have to take care of myself, like everyone else, I'm going to take care of them too. But the number one person is myself. Because if I'm not physically and mentally healthy, then I can't be the best mom, the best wife, best friend, the best manager, all the things. And so that was definitely a breaking moment and a turning point, most recently of like, I have to take care of myself.

Analiza: I have to push here, because that's a pretty revolutionary idea for moms, especially that it's essential to take care of you. And that feeding you allows you to feed your children. So talk to us about that. Because did that come about that belief? Because of your mom? Like how did you develop a strong conviction that you have to take care of yourself? It's a must.

Andrea: So it's interesting, because I think it was looking at other people not taking care of themselves and seeing what was happening, right. And I was like, I don't want that to happen to me. My mother has always been a caretaker, she's always cared for other people. I don't know, she would say she takes care of herself in the same way that she's taking care of others. I was like, I wanted to take care of people, but I want to take care of myself. And I feel like it's against the norm to care for yourself first, like you are saying, you're asking this question. To me it was more about how do I be a happy mom, a happy person and not have all this angst? When you start yelling at your kids because you're tired? Or you're stressed out? You're like, wait a minute, why is that happening? Oh, because I didn't get enough sleep. I didn't get the physical activity to help me detox some of this stress that I'm feeling all of a sudden, you realize that's not who I want to be. So it was more of seeing examples of people not really taking care of themselves, the health implications for that, the impact on relationships, and really being like, I want in my life a little bit different than that. I want to be home. And I want to be in a place where I can give all, but not give all in sacrifice to myself. No, I mean No.

Analiza: I think it's beautiful. And I completely agree that self care is not selfish. In fact, if you really do want to take care of others, it has to start with taking care of yourself. Because the journey is long and hard. And if there was nothing in the tank, I don't expect we would go very far. And if we did, it's not surprising that we would be fuming, right and treating people not as kindly as they deserve. So I love it so much. And want to also acknowledge that there are some haters for this idea. And there's judgment. So can you talk about that? And please talk about it. And how do you say it out loud? What do you say to these people who give you the side eye?

Andrea: Yeah, it's funny you say that I try to do a girls trip once a year. And I remember going to Thailand about three years ago for 10 days, as long as I've been away from my family, and I definitely have some questions. Like, if I can take your family, you know, like, just all the things of judgment of mom for taking time away for herself. And I think that it is important to be confident that you need that time away. And that it is time that is both valuable for you and your family. Because the kids you know, I've talked to my kids, we've talked about this, like, I'm preparing you for life. At some point, we all have expiration dates, I'm not gonna be around forever. And so you have to be aware and comfortable with me not being around all the time and we've been gone for 10 days. You figure out a lot of different things, all the things that I was doing for you, I'm not doing them for you. So you'll have to figure those things out on your own. And when I come back I'm a much happier person, so funny because Louis, my husband is always like, I love when she goes away. Because once she comes back happy, I get to do what I want to do, right, I get that time to watch the movies, eat the food, like the stuff, I don't want to eat all the things right. And so it's nice that everyone gets a break. Because I'm the intense one, I'm the one who's like, you got this, do this. So the kids get a break for 10 days to write. And so I feel like it's important for you to acknowledge and understand that some people may not get it and feel like it's the right thing to do. And it's selfish. But at the same time, it's the right thing to do for you. And that you have to do it. I try to talk to moms, about not only taking time for themselves, but with their mate, with their partner, whoever. Because that time too is like once the children go away to college or off onto their own. When do you know this person that you live with for how many years, you have to continue to invest in those relationships, you have to continue to invest in yourself and your growth? And sometimes that means taking a break and getting away and spend time with girlfriends.

Analiza: Beautiful. Tell me also, do you let your husband also do his own boy trips? Or what does that look like for him?

Andrea: Yeah, you know, it's funny you asked, so he hasn't taken any. I think he's apart because they haven't figured out where they want to go. First of all, women we like, Okay, where are we going? Let's do it. His book, organized itinerary. So he's done something, he'll always seem that I never let go anywhere without surprising him because he did a business trip once and I did surprise them. Like I showed up. And he was like, What are you doing here? I'm like, but that was at one time. And he doesn't travel that much. But all that to say is like, yeah, absolutely. If he wants to go on a trip, he knows I'm a little fragile. So I've had to call my mom or his mom to be like, hey, somebody is coming. Help me out, right? Because there's too many things to do. But he's used to being away because I've always traveled for work. But I'm not used to him being away. So it's actually a flipped, kind of reverse thing of like, he's like, I can't be gone too long. Because you might have a kid sitting outside.

Analiza: I love that. I'm laughing because we also have that in common with you. And I also believe that it's important to take care of ourselves. I just did a trip to Vegas with some girls. And before that my husband and I took a trip ourselves for the weekend to go rock climbing. So I'm happier. We're happier. I know who my partner is again. And the kids are happy. They're fine. They don't. Yes, here all the time. And they show up. So I love it so much. I want you to talk more Andrea now drilling on self care for you. What does that look like during the pandemic? Realize that you heal yourself.

Andrea: So funny, because I thought for a long time, I was one of the people who thought self care was like going into a mobile bath, you know, meditating. Not that meditating isn't self care, or any of those other things. But then I realized recently, especially, I think I told you, I did a dare to lead, which is Brene, brown, kind of facilitator training. And I realized his boundaries. It's understanding what you need, and being able to express what you need, whether it's professionally or personally, like being able to get what you need in life is part of myself here. And so if for whatever it is, is like, I need to go and see my son play basketball, his freshman year, I made sure I made all his own games, if I was in town, that to me was self care, because I am spending that quality time with my son and showing him that I'm rooting for him that I'm caring for him. But I'm also putting boundaries. Like, you know, there's a lot that I sacrifice, and we're traveling for work or leaving the house, how can I actually contribute to supporting my child in different ways? And to me, that was part of self care. But you know, it's the boundaries as well, like, what do I need to do? I walk every day, regardless of what's going on in my schedule, which may mean I have to get up at four in the morning. But that is like self care or making sure that I have some movement in my life. Because it's therapeutic. It helps me clear my mind, helps me pass this information, all the things.

Analiza: That's awesome, because I love how you mentioned self care comes with boundaries. And it's also clarity on what you want. And that it's not just Okay, I like to move my body and take walks. But for your son, how do I want to spend time with him? I want to see his basketball games. Does that mean that I necessarily have to be reading to him? I know he's older. But it's interesting how you get to choose the thing that allows you to both spend time and do it in a way that feels you too.

Andrea:8 Yeah. You know, I have always been in the pursuit of happiness. And I feel like there's a lot that we control around happiness. You can't be happy all the time, but for the most part like 80 to 90% of the time, you can be happy. Stuff happens, things happen in life where you get sad. And that's just reality. But I always asked questions like, if I'm not happy, now what other because your happiness? Right? It's about you. And I think oftentimes, and like people think your happiness is going to come from a relationship, a friendship, having children, all these things happen in a day comes from within. So if you're not doing things to make yourself happy, you're never going to be happy, I have felt that kind of dry like that part of my Northstar, like, I have to be happy with my work that I do with my relationships with all the things I do, or it's not right. And so I'm always examining myself to see what I have control over? That's preventing their happiness?

Analiza: Talk to us about that strategy. Because you know, I'm all about methodology and process. What does it look like?

Andrea: It's definitely reflecting, definitely journaling. And examining is definitely having conversation and processing with other people. I think that's super important. People you trust, people you have deep relationships with? Like, what is it about this job? What is it about this relationship? What is it about whatever it is, there's something that is not going away, that you want this project, what happening, and then you start to unpack it, and you're like, this is really about me, there's something that I can do this, I can communicate that I want this, I can ask for this. Now, someone may come back and say, No, I'm not gonna do that. Well, you also have another path. I always tell people, like you have choices. As a parent, I believe in choices, you give kids choices, you don't make it out. And I feel like that is kind of my model of life, I can't opt out of taking control of my life, or doing the things that are going to be satisfying for me. So is it a weekly thing? Maybe not. But it's definitely quarterly and like, what's going on in my mind? And looking at the domains spiritually, right, physically? Am I doing all the things? Am I eating right to feel my body is working right? All of these, what can I be doing? And I think we do this kind of thing annually, when it's New Years, right? Like, what is our quote, unquote, resolution, but I'm like, once a year is too late. You really need to be examining this on a regular basis, and thinking about, are you just cruising through life? No, life is short. I always say life is so short, why would you not want to be happy? Why would you not want to enjoy every single moment that you have on this earth? And so that, to me, is driving things? It's like a regular examination of like, okay, I'm miserable. Why am I miserable? Okay, what do I need to do?

Analiza: What's the recent shift? Andrea, you've taken? When you've looked at this journaling exercise and said, okay, yeah, I can do something different.

Andrea: Some of it is like, Oh, what are the things I'm doing that I don't want to be doing anymore, like, outsource, don't buy groceries in person, it's the part of my best friend, they come here on a regular basis, I was one of the people, I know, you've heard this, I don't like to pick my produce. I don't like people picking my produce, but if they pick bad produce, I'm going to get a refund, because I'm not going to take it. So I've come up with strategies around that. My third grader needs a lot of help with homework. I was like, I'm sitting in the homework club, because by six o'clock when I'm finished with work, does he really have the energy to engage with me in a way that is productive. Do I have leaders eating him that's productive? And so he's doing great. And so it's like thinking about what is the support that I need to not only provide all the things that my family needs, but what I need? And so it's really in the shift of being an entrepreneur in residence for education, leaders of color, having consulting projects, having children and family, what are the things that I can delegate? What are the things that I can hand off, so that I'm not doing the things that make me miserable, or that I don't have the space to do right? Because I got all this angst, you have other things to do. And so I feel like that shift has happened during COVID. Because we found ourselves in a different space of like, kids at home learning for a year and a half now back to school and now having to adjust to those schedules and all that. So I think that's been the most recent shift of like, what can I outsource? What can I delegate? What can I do differently so that I'm not doing it all?

Analiza: Love, love it. Okay, any advice for women who are trying to realign to what makes them happy?

Andrea: Yes, I feel like that's some deep diving into all of the domain areas of like, what is important to you? And you know, most people use it the same way we'll write for we're personal relationships, spiritual, whether you're a religious person or not believing that there's some kind of like, how am I taking care of that spirit within me, right? In some people, it is religion, some people are meditation. Some people, it's reflection, all the things, but how are you doing that your health, your financial peace is really examining in those areas, what do I need to do to make sure I'm happy enough, you know, even the financial peace, I was like, I don't have a full time job, that's gonna create a lot of angst, what do I need to do? And so that's when I was like, You know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna be a financial planner to examine all the stuff and give me some real solid advice of what do I need to do to meet my goal, it's like real tactical things that you have to do actually to get happy. Sometimes, because it's like things you put off, you're gonna get to it, you're gonna get to it. And it's just nagging at you. And that was one, the financial planner fees, and like really having someone examine insurance policies all the way down to planning for college. And so I really do think examining within all those domain areas that impact your life, what are the questions? What are the things that are creating an unpacking that having conversations with your loved one, when people are close to you about those things, will help you really identify the things that are going to make you happy. And some of it is about having time for yourself and process, some of it is the security of knowing I have a plan to retire. The one last thing I will say that made me happy was getting our trust in place of knowing that our kids, if something happens to us, there's a plan, and that there's not a whole lot of messes somebody's going in here. And I mean, yeah. Now when I think about going on a trip with my husband, we're leaving the kids behind. I know that. I mean, I hate to say these things like there's a plan in place.

Analiza: It allows you also to leave your kids and know that no matter what they'll be taken care of. That's right. All right. Let's do some lightning round questions.

Andrea: Oh, boy.

Analiza: Chocolate or vanilla?

Andrea: Vanilla.

Analiza: Cooking or takeout?,

Andrea: Cooking.

Analiza: Climb a mountain or jump from a plane?

Andrea: Climb a mountain.

Analiza: Have you ever worn socks with sandals?

Andrea: No.

Analiza: How would you rate your karaoke skills on a scale of one to 10/10 being Mariah Carey?

Andrea: I'm looking at myself at 8 for enthusiasm. Because I can sing some basic stuff. I will engage and participate.

Analiza: Recent book you read?

Andrea: Oh, my goodness, We Should all be Millionaires. Rachael Rogers.

Analiza: What is your favorite way to practice self care?

Andrea: Oh, my favorite way. So many, but walking right now, it's free.

Analiza: What's a good professional development that you have participated in?

Andrea: Definitely Rare Coaching. Former colleague who is now doing some awesome work and helping people be courageous leaders in this time and complex society. Totally awesome. And it helped me think about this boundary.

Analiza: What's your definition of a Boss Mama?

Andrea: Ooh, the definition of a Boss Mama is someone who takes no BS, at home or in the workplace that's willing to call it out, tell the truth and get stuff done. And as resourceful and can like, take $1 and create a whole fest like a feast. Like just all the things right? Like the Boss Mom was happy to be able to do it all and still show up and look good. Was a lot of pressure. But I'm just like, I've been out in public and not look that great. And I'm like, well, I should never go out with my bed. I need to keep it, I need to eat it. I need to keep it together. I think we go out in public.

Analiza: What advice would you give your younger self?

Andrea: I would say travel more. I did not travel as much as I should have when I was younger. I mean, I took myself pretty seriously. Like I'm always like, I take myself too seriously. I think that's the bigger advice of life, don't take yourself so seriously that you're working yourself and not enjoying life. That's more of that advice.

Analiza: Where can we find you like LinkedIn or anywhere else like that?

Andrea: You will find me on Twitter and Instagram.

Analiza: Great. And last question. Do you have a final ask recommendation or any parting thoughts for the audience?

Andrea: Make sure that you're getting what you need professionally, personally, really examine what that means and start taking action with that in place and you'll see a difference in how you feel about yourself and how you're enjoying life, you know, your relationships deepen. I made a conscious effort about three or four years ago to really invest in the relationships that are most important to me. And it's made such a big difference, because I'm more into how do I want to make sure that I'm connecting with this individual?

Analiza: Beautiful. Thank you so much, Andrea. I really appreciate our time together.

Andrea: Thank you for having me on. I enjoyed this conversation.

Analiza: Thank you so much for carving out time today to hear today's podcast. Three things before you go. First, if you found it helpful, please leave a five star review. Second, please share with someone else you can share the link and post on Facebook and say check it out. Lastly, I want to thank you for being a listener and you can go to get a free self care bonus called juicy or joy at analizawolf.com/freebonus. Thank you so much.