Analiza: Welcome to the Women of Color Rise Podcast. I'm Analiza Quiroz Wolf, proud Asian American mom of two, and former CEO of a nonprofit and Captain in the US Air Force. I'm on a mission to support having more diverse leaders at the table. We'll be talking with successful CEOs and C suite women leaders of color and learning about their leadership journeys. If you're a woman or woman of color, who wants a seat at the table, you're in the right place. Now let's get into today's show.

I'm speaking with Dr.Tequilla Brownie. She's the CEO of TNTP and the big mission is to disrupt education inequalities so that America can deliver on its promise of education being the greatest equalizer. We'll share more about her journey. Before TNTP she spent a decade in Memphis City Schools where she focused on improving teacher effectiveness. She's also a licensed therapist and a school social worker. In terms of education, Tequilla graduated from Yale with a BA in psychology, a master's in social work from the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and a doctorate in educational leadership and policy studies from the University of Memphis. With that, Tequilla, I am so excited about our conversation. What was your upbringing like so that it brought you and influenced you to who you are today?

Tequilla: Yeah, thank you Analiza. First of all, for inviting me and having me on. It's really an honor to be here and share more about sort of my journey, my lessons learned, my upbringing certainly is a core part of who I am. I would say sort of the intersection of three things, one being black, one being a female, and then the third being poor, in the deep south in the Delta. Early on, I knew that my end would not be defined by my beginning. And that message was clear to me from my grandparents who raised me, it was clear to me from my teachers and educators and other adults in my community, people talk to me about options and choices in life. So I wasn't limited by what I could see in front of me, which was, you know, a lot of poverty, cotton fields, you know, houses, things like that. Instead, I actually could see beyond what I could see.

Analiza: This idea of having your grandparents and your teachers, the community helping to give you this hope and spark in you that you are not this beginning that you can be anyone who you want to be? How do we take that Tequila and actually make that real? Because you see what you see in the outhouses and the cotton fields, but how do you actually start to think outside the box that there is more out there?

Tequilla: My grandparents are interesting, never sat me down and said, “Oh, you must go to college,” right? But they said that education would be the way out if you don't want to be poor. And I liked nice things. They said that education was going to be the way to, you know, access more choices, poverty removes choices. So I take a very pragmatic view on why education was really important to me. Fortunately, I was a good student, but academics alone isn't good enough. So it was you know, the combination, I would say of yes, you know, making good grades and being a strong student, but also having the supports from both my family from my teachers, again, not just ensuring that they were, you know, reading, writing and arithmetic, if you will, but even exposing me to other things and other opportunities to continue to increase my own self awareness and my own like external awareness, right about sort of the world around me that I didn't even know existed. I never even considered an Ivy League. I literally applied to two colleges. I applied to Yale, and I applied to University of Arkansas. And it was interesting one of my uncles and my guidance counselor, the two people in my life that sort of push and say, “Oh, you really should consider an Ivy League.” I'm not saying that that's the path for everyone and has to be it. It served me well and was a really great college experience and fit for me. But my point is just to increase the exposure of what the possible options are, and then helped me assess that too many of our kids don't even know what all of the options are that are out there. I mean, I think about when we talk to kids about careers, you know, even as early as kindergarten, we're like, “Oh, what do you want to be when you grow up?” They'll say you know, a doctor or nurse or teacher or firemen or policemen are very noble careers. Now, you and I both know the likelihood that 100% of those kids ultimately choose those careers is, you know, next to none. So it is important that we expose kids to what all they can and beyond what they can see if that makes sense.

And when I mentioned community, I will say two things. Like, one of the things in my job now that I do is, you know, I do a lot of presenting panels, you know, public speaking, you know, on behalf of the organization. I got my beginnings in public speaking within my community through my church, when I got to like high school in house, you know, kids take, what is it like mass communications or something or oral communications. I'm like, I don't really need, you know, like, I've done that, right. The other piece for me that was so helpful was one of these things that I'm, you know, really focused on is advising in K 12. So we do guidance counseling, and a few schools are really starting to try to connect that to the, you know, the long game of careers, but it was people in my community that gave me advice about career options. And, well, if you choose this major, and know that you got to also do this, right. And I didn't get that explicitly within my K 12 experiences, though. I had a very good and solid K 12 experience. It was these other elements and other resources and supports that were brought in to help me in my journey.

Analiza: It sounds like community, Tequilla, at an early age supported you and you named a few things first, in having high expectations of you, even though it wasn't you need to go to college, and you need to be a doctor, just having these were going to be something great. And then second, it's this idea that beyond academics, there are other skills, such as public speaking, and getting to do that at your church so that when you actually delivered speeches in high school and college, you're not petrified, like most of us. And then the third thing you mentioned is incredibly you applied to two schools, University of Arkansas and then Yale. I'm curious, this idea of Ivy Leagues because you're in education and so am I. We talk about it, or we hear this myth, or we heard this idea that you don't have to pay the big costs to go to college, these brand name colleges. You can go to a lesser known college and you get the same outcome. How does that play out with you?

Tequilla: I would even go so far as Analiza to say not everybody has to go to an Ivy League, not everybody frankly, even has to go to college. I mean, if we look at the future of work, and what education is actually purported to be, education should be the great equalizer, meaning it exposes and gives all kids access to opportunities and choice to be viable and successful right? In our world, I truly believe that there are multiple pathways for kids to access, choose and escape, you know, poverty, and to be, you know, upwardly mobile. So I mean, a couple of examples, I would say, there are lots of initiatives and programs now, that sort of help either kids or adults without formal degrees, catapult into, you know, decent paying jobs. And so when we see it, obviously, like some of the tech sector, Google and Amazon, right, that they were no longer requiring a bachelor's degree, but we're starting to see it even in other industries and in other sectors. So in some ways that may look like, you know, apprenticeship or work based learning. And I want to be clear that this doesn't mean I'm trying to say, let's go back to the old vocational school model. You and I both know that was inherent with, you know, racist policies and tracking and things like that we're adults make choices for kids, based in large part from a biased perspective. But I also look at the future of work. And as we think about where jobs are now and where they're going, it is interesting that more and more jobs will require skills that you sort of get within the context of work and of industry. So for me, this is about, you know, sort of breaking down those, you know, false concrete walls between K 12 and industry. For some kids, there is the need for a formal institution of post secondary, for others it’s skills and you know, competencies, that, frankly, let's be clear, they could pick up either from the industry, or we should be thinking about them getting those even within K 12. So for me, I had a wonderful experience that yielded for me in my career, it served me well, for the path that I was choosing. Not all kids need that. Now, if kids want that they should be able to access that if you got to think about the ROI, we encourage all kids, “Oh, you must go to college, especially these highly selective ones.” Some are doing a better job at minimizing debt, others not. So what's the ROI there? So it's like if you could have gone straight from K 12 into a decent paying career, and then maybe you would hit a bump up against the wall right where you couldn't move up farther without a degree. Lots of companies have educational benefits. So I just feel like we have this linear model. And you and I both know career paths are anything but linear.

Analiza: There are so many other paths that this doesn't have to be the only path to becoming if you want to be CEO of an organization. And I want to deep dive into this idea of myths because sometimes with myths, when you mentioned it earlier, I need to get the grades or when I have the tech skills, I'll be set up to thrive and ascend in my career. So I'd love for you to name it when you were young, or even in your earlier part of your career Tequilla. What came up for you?

Tequilla: One of the ones that for sure comes to mind for me is sort of this myth that I just stated that career paths are linear, the generation before us careers may have been more linear, right? Where it was a little bit more straightforward, you know, finish school, maybe get, you know, a post secondary degree, or you know, some type of picked up some type of trade. And then you worked and stayed there for 30 years, right. And so for me, one of the most I would say that was for sure, you know, the bond early on was, that didn't have to be my path that I couldn't figure out as I went, what I wanted to do, the key was making sure that I was adaptive enough to continue to learn and grow.

Analiza: Can you share with me maybe one or two defining career moments that really helped you to be where you are today?

Tequilla: One of them when I was in undergrad, I considered majoring in psychology. And my advisor talked to me, you know, we were talking about what I wanted to do. And at that point, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go get a PhD in psychology and you know, go from there. Two things happened for me, my senior year of undergrad, one, my, unfortunately, my mom passed away from breast cancer. And so that sort of made me just rethink, Oh, am I really ready to go straight into this, you know, three more years or four more years, right straight through. And then the other thing I fortunately had a thoughtful advisor who had gotten to know me in college well enough to know that I'm not quite sure that's what you like, that degree is going to set you up for what you want to do, right? Because I think he helped me interpret that maybe it was going to be a little bit more limiting and that maybe I need to do a little bit more exploration right. And so I ended up not doing that and actually applied to Teach For America, got accepted and was going to do that. But then just decided sort of mentally given my mom passing, I was like, I just want to go be around family. So I was like, You know what, I'm just gonna go home, find a job and figure out you know, where to go, what to do from there. So that was for sure. key moment, and I raise it up because like, sort of having that thought partner and that so that self awareness to be okay with, okay, I don't quite yet know. And that's okay. Because you don't have to have all answers in the immediacy, another critical event, I would say, happened for me, in graduate school at UT, you had in Social Work at the graduate level, you have to do an internship, basically, you know, clinicals, so I actually interned for the person that was the regional head of the Department of Human Services for Tennessee in the western part of the state in Memphis. And my cubicle was right across from her office. And she actually was a black woman, she was on a call, Her door was open in a meeting. And she literally sort of respectfully pushes back against one of her white male peers, and then proceeds to invite him to get off her phone and hang up the phone on him. I've never seen a woman, let alone a black woman, sort of take that approach with certainly a man and a white man. And so I remember debriefing it with her, like, what was that about? And she just said, you know, they were having their peers, they were having a conversation about a strategy or decision and how to move forward. They respectfully disagreed. And he took sort of a patriarchal approach and mansplain to her and told her all the reasons in ways and why she was wrong, and not necessarily in a productive way. And she decided to stand her ground and hold her own as a woman and as a black woman in disengage from the conversation that was no longer productive. And the reason I say that is that it's just a really critical moment. It was so empowering for me to see that she gave herself permission to take control of a situation that she found herself in and so I have found myself during my career being unapologetic about you know, obviously, I'm a great collaborator. I love actually I'm a middle child. So I love you know, building bridges and working with people but also having the courage of my convictions around my presence, right, if you will, as a woman as a black woman in situations where I might be alone in my identity.

Analiza: Wow, that is so powerful for you just to share that, because I don't see that really often. And to see that as a young professional, so empowering to them, stand in your own power to know, you know, I, as a black woman, can stand for myself and stand up for myself. And it's okay, I'm going to be okay. So I love that. And I also love that you took time and space off, and we're hurrying to the next thing. And rather than listening to our heart and our values to spend time with family, so powerful to hear you share both giving ourselves permission to stand for ourselves both in time and space, and also respect from.

Tequilla: My own experience as a woman and as a black woman that I've certainly experienced in my own career. But Yale and in psychology, they were, you know, really serious about you like the research aspect of psychology. And what I did, I actually sort of observed several classes at Yale, actually watch the times that females versus males lead with quote, unquote, qualifying statements, females, you know, open with, well, I think, or maybe they'd always put this qualifier on their statement, right, versus sort of being clear in their convictions and validating their perspective themselves, right, it's almost like you put that qualifier out there. And then if it was accepted or rejected, you weren't, it was less risky. So it always sort of had that in my mind, knowing sometimes I'm going to be, you know, wrong, ill informed, but sometimes I'm going to be right on the spot and bring, you know, a valuable contribution. But if I never bring that because I'm too afraid to voice my perspective and experience and bring the fullness of that to the table, that I actually have no business being at the table.

Analiza: So Tequilla, you shared a couple critical events, these defining career moments. And I want to then also take us back to perhaps another critical event, maybe that rock bottom moment, maybe a mistake, or these types of failures, not our proudest times that just really shaped us. I'm wondering if you could share one with us.

Tequilla: Probably my most bottom moment was in my last job at Memphis City Schools, doing some reform work around teacher effectiveness and teacher quality basically ended up resulting in sort of the district I worked in, in Memphis, you know, the big urban poor district, merging with the little bit more middle class, affluent county, you know, more suburban district, merging two districts of two different identities, if you will, can was a pretty monumental task. This was in Memphis that is not without its own share of, you know, history, legacies of you know, racism and things like that. And so during this process that became you know, obviously needed right to focus on how to merge these districts together, what it did was sort of really distract from the work we were trying to do, you know, to really focus on kids and, you know, the teacher effectiveness so it shifted from the work that I love, you know, strategizing around you know, where we needed to innovate what we needed to change, like, like literally the word to more of a, I don't even want to just call it political because I'm not afraid of everything is political, in some sense big P and little P. But it became focused on power between adults with an undergirding presence of race bias people with choice, ie more affluent parents as make sure that they want to choose the merge district, I was no longer gratified, it was hindering the work and so I had to make the very difficult choice to leave. Knowing that the work was not done taking their toll on me personally and professionally. I like to say that my grandparents who you heard me say raise me, my grandfather was born in the early 1900s you know, the heart of the Mississippi River Delta in Clarksdale, Mississippi, and I grew up watching my grandfather, as a man sort of say, Yes, sir. No, ma'am, to, you know, a 12 year old white male. And so when I say it was the first time in my life, that I felt like, Oh, this is what it was like for my grandfather. Like, I almost felt like I had been catapulted back into the Jim Crow South. Not that, you know, there still isn't in the present day. You know, I was legacies with that. But it was the first time that it was so in my face in that way that it was hindering me from not only doing my job, I would say, but feeling gratified and sleeping at night. So I made the decision to leave the district. I described that it was definitely a rock bottom, professional point in my life, but it was the right ultimate decision for me.

Analiza: Let's spend time here to pull up because we're both very mission aligned and care deeply about kids. And at the same time, there are environments where we can have more impact and flourish. And there are environments that saps us, and we don't show up as our best selves. And I feel that this happens from my personal experience in education and in nonprofit, and they work with meaning. So I want to start to dissect this, because while there's guilt, and yes, it was rock bottom, and that the work wasn't finished, how can we provide some guidance or consider these five things? For example, or here's a scorecard, or here's some guidance, decide that it's hard but decide to leave,

Tequilla: I definitely want to sort of send a thank you card at that moment. Because it for sure catapulted me professionally. And personally, the thing I would say is, that step one is to have the self awareness that you have choices. So for me, the first step was okay, I've got to be confident enough to know that I do have a choice here. And the reason I say I want to sort of anchor here for a moment, Analiza is that otherwise you would act out of fear, like you would be whichever decision right? Wherever you decide to make whatever decision you make, it needs to be guided by your beliefs, your values, what you want, not as a response to fear. And so the reason I say that, is because before this moment, I was thriving. You know, it was difficult, right, you know, district life is difficult. Let me be clear, it's not like it was before sort of the merger stuff. But it was hard work. But it was gratifying and felt like we were achieving some things, making some progress and focused on the work, right. But I did have this like, oh, well, if I don't do this, you know, can I go somewhere else? Will I land a good job? Will I find somewhere that is mission aligned, where I can do it? So I had to put all that aside and stand in the confidence that you know, what, if I were you know, a 20 year old male, why I wouldn't have that doubt, you know, I would know that I can add value and that someone else will recognize that. So I had to abandon that fear. And that maybe call it a lack of self confidence might have just to name it. So that was the first step. Then the second one, I actually did sort of this went on for months, you know, from like, for probably seven months where I sit, you know, sort of came to the point to ask myself, you know, for me, I am so fortunate and so blessed that because my work aligns my personal mission aligns to my personal mission. It doesn't feel like work. It's like, Oh, my God, I'm getting paid to do the thing that I want in love would love to do anyway. Right? I have the luxury of doing it while being able to provide for my family. So that matters. The second piece, though, if that is okay, am I feeling gratified? Am I feeling like I'm continuing to learn, grow, etc. One of the things that I tell all of my mentees is never work for a person or an organization that you don't feel has your best interests at heart. And the reason I think, yeah, I think that really well. Because if you don't, you're always in the back of my mind, you're actually not going to be able to really focus on the mission. At the end of every day, you're wondering, are they going to do something to me, is the manager going to do something to me, you need to work in an environment that you have absolute confidence, my manager and this company has my best interests at heart, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. You can work in a mission driven organization and environment that also wants to see you thrive as a human being. And that is what I found about TNTP when I first came, our CEO at the time used to ask me because I was just so full of joy, and just so you know, happy and she was like that they beat you at your former job. And I'm like, almost right. But that is what has kept me at TNTP for nine years, I've continued to grow and learn all while, you know, serving a mission that I wholeheartedly believe in. But being able to do that in a context where I have absolutely believed that every manager that I've had it TNTP and the organization at large also have my best interests at heart. So there is mutual benefit. For me, as an employee, as a woman, as a black woman, I'm able to bring all of that to the table. Not that that's the focus of the work. No, it's just that I'm doing it. I have the psychological and personal and mental and emotional safety to just focus on the dorm work.

Analiza: I want to put a stamp on these things because one has to have self awareness that this is not the right fit. And that your belief in yourself that you will land in a place where you can serve those that first step self awareness and confidence. And the second piece is that you can find a place where people care where you can do the mission and serve kids and also care about you. Sometimes it's like not about the adults, not about the adults, you can't focus on adults. And I'm like, Well, can you care about your adults and also get the mission done?

Tequilla: You actually can't tell me that you authentically care about kids, if you don't care about adults, kids are nothing but future adults. And so if in your values and actions, you can't demonstrate to me care for adults, I don't believe you, when you tell me you care about kids, because there's something about like, oh, the babies, and it's easy to say that. But again, again, babies have baggage to the kids that are bringing the trauma, their lived experiences, right, and all those things to the table, they're going to be adults. So if you haven't learned to be effective at working with both your peers within the organization, but even thinking in a more asset based way about the adults in the parents and families of the very kids that were serving. I just don't know if I believe you wholeheartedly. When you tell me you care so much about the babies.

Analiza: I'm so happy to hear you say that it sometimes feels like blasphemy to say, Let's care about our people. And if we care about our people, they will take care of the mission. It's the military, we hear that take care of your people, and they'll take care of you. And sometimes in education, you're like, Ooh, you're a bad leader? How dare you think about other adults? When we're about the kids?

Tequilla: They are not mutually exclusive? Like this is what I mean, we behave as if they have to be yes or no.

Analiza: All right, let's move to you being CEO Tequilla. Did you set out to be CEO? What happened is that I know you're an executive vice president, and you had a great tenure there. But how did that happen?

Tequilla: I had no sights on being CEO of the TNTP. That was not where I entered or why I entered the organization, what I found is that TNTP we sit at the intersection of practice research and policy right. And so and now, you know, advocacy and community work. And so as you think about that, it's like, oh, wow, it just resonated with every part of me. So you hear about my experience, it resonated with the social worker in me, it resonated with the policymaker, and me It resonated, you know, with the researcher in me, and so, I, during my tenure and time at TNTP, have served in roles that have sort of pooled on all of each of those, and sometimes simultaneously, right, but I just have continued to, like, grow and growing. And, and even, you know, other ways as well. So, you know, a few years ago, as you can imagine, we saw, you know, talk about succession planning, and then I was like, Oh, I don't know, if I could do that. I'm like, Look, I love the organization. I'm just happy to be here. Right. So the, over the next couple of years, you know, continue to have conversations about my own aspirations and career and all those things and just started getting a little very slowly, at least, a little bit more comfortable that maybe I could so probably a couple years ago, I actually told myself, I actually think I could so helped me, you know, like, what else should I be doing and thinking about to be ready, not that it would be a given, right, but so that, you know, where the wind because, you know, our CEO was clear, you know, I'm not gonna be here forever, right? So when that time came, that it would be a viable choice. If I wanted to write to my manager, actually, I switch roles for more of an external sort of leaving leading some of our consulting work to more internal leading our strategy, you know, policy work, and I'll be transparent with you. This is my first time as a CEO, I couldn't imagine doing that as successfully in an organization that I was brand new to, I mean, there's obviously always going to be a learning curve, even from me, you know, even though I've been with the org for nine years, still, from this seat, you know, you just get a different perspective.

Analiza: I'm hearing a deliberate decision to say, maybe me, can I be a possible contender, and having a conversation that sets you up to get the experiences so that when the time comes, you would be an option?

Tequilla: I want to be clear that both my manager and I, my managers see in me and me see myself right. And so there's something about like, finding that balance of sometimes I feel like organizations will tell their teams Oh, you need to be the you know, the driver of your own career. Yes, that's true. But I do believe a good leader also has a role in developing and helping guide right, you know, you're sort of mentoring that person. So for sure, me and our former CEO Dan, we had a partnership I would say in my development and my trajectory, I was just so appreciative of that.

Analiza: I want to ask you about sacrifice because it's real. And I love for you to share you know, in your family, what have you had to sacrifice and how are you able to still protect you?

Tequilla: So I have a 12 year old son, you mentioned military mom, his dad, my ex husband is retired military so but I'm, you know, now raising him but my son is 12. Now fortunately, there are certainly when I look back, there have been times when I wasn't, you know, I missed the field trip, you know, it's like a mom, can you, you know, serve as a chaperone, it's like, you know, I was in name some random state, you know, working and I was like I couldn't, what I am doing now is finding way more balance. So I was asked, you know recently to speak at something that's going to be his first day of school, and I just had to tell them, You know what, I can't do it, you know, I know that it was gonna be a great opportunity to, you know, represent the organization. But I chose my, in that instance, I chose my son. And so I try to be very mindful that I can't every single instance, there have been times and there will be more that I do sacrifice, right, and I am not there. But I also am equally trying to be more intentional about, you know, what, and there are going to be times when No, I'm going to sacrifice work right and be there for my son or for my family. The other thing I would say that helps me a lot, I have a tremendous support system in my extended family. And so we all live within maybe 45 minutes of each other, my sister, aunts, a couple of cousins. And so we support one another and help each other out, you know, with all the things that help so much as well. And then the only other thing I will say that I have done, I've started practicing this actually, since becoming CEO, I like to travel whether it's big or small, with sometimes some I travel with my partners, I'm gonna travel with my, you know, my son or my family, whomever, right, but I like to do trips, many trips, big trips. So one of the things that I do, I keep one on the books. So what that means is like, so for example, my undergrad, my reunion was my college reunion was in June. So my partner and I went up to New Haven, hung out with friends and had a wonderful time. So you know, a little mini vacation, we're doing a family trip in July, you know, with my son's extended family. So I'm looking forward to that. My point is whenever I go on the one so by the time I went to New Haven for like my, you know, time with friends for that weekend trip, the July when with my family, it was already booked set in stone. So by the time I go to do the July one, I've already booked the next one, I'm going to the Caribbean, so you get what I'm saying. So it makes it where I always have something concrete to look forward to. Because that's my thing for someone else. It may be whatever. But the thing is like to be very intentional in planning. That's, I mean, again, whatever it is, but just plan, put it on the books, book it, mark your calendar, so that you commit to your seven. That's how I'm doing self care right now. And I'm so proud of so much energy and joy as a result of it. There have been times in my career when I felt like oh my god, I don't ever feel like I'm off work I do now. So that practice is really helping me a lot. So I tell everybody, figure out what the thing is for you and keep it on keep one of those things, whether it's a wall that whatever it is, keep it on the books keep one coming up for you.

Analiza: Keep it in the books. May we all do that in education, because we need leaders who show that by actually prioritizing Tequilla You are being a better leader for all of us. So thank you. Alright, let's go Lightning round, starting with chocolate or vanilla?

Tequilla: Definitely vanilla.

Analiza: Cooking or takeout?

Tequilla: Take out every day.

Analiza: Climb a mountain or jump from a plane?

Tequilla: Neither

Analiza: Have you ever worn socks with sandals?

Tequilla: Of course.

Analiza: How would you rate your karaoke skills scale to 1 to 10? 10 being Mariah Carey?

Tequilla: Not Mariah Carey... 6

Analiza: What's a recent book you read?

Tequilla: The Some of Us by Heather McGhee

Analiza: What's your favorite way to practice self care?

Tequilla: Massages.

Analiza: What's a good professional development you've done?

Tequilla: I was accepted to the Pahara fellowship, and I had my launch for that. Phenomenal for sure.

Analiza: What's your definition of a Boss Mama?

Tequilla: A woman who takes care of herself in order to have a great impact in the world.

Analiza: What advice would you give your younger self?

Tequilla: Relax a little bit.

Analiza: And where can we find you like LinkedIn or any social media?

Tequilla: Yeah, I'm on LinkedIn Tequilla Brownie, Facebook Tequilla Brownie, Instagram and Twitter all Tequilla Brownie. I don't have a fancy handle for any of those I just use. It's just me right to go around it.

Analiza: And do you have a final ask recommendation or any parting thoughts to share?

Tequilla: I think maybe I'll end with where we were. My final thought and recommendation is to have self awareness about what gives you joy and energy and work relentlessly to make sure you have that as equally as relentlessly that you go for it in the mission in your work.

Analiza: Beautiful. Thank you so much Tequilla.

Tequilla: Thank you.

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